paul ryan couldn't come up with one. >> well paul ryan did pass a budget in the house. where we have passed a budget is in the united states senate controlled by democrats for over three years. >> right. >> so what we need, what we need to use the debt ceiling moment as, is a moment to educate the american public about all the deficit spending. the fact that we blew through a $2.1 billion increase in the debt ceiling in just seven months. we blew through it in 17 months. we have got to start bringing, reducing spending reducing the -- >> the debt ceiling is a a technicality. you're talking about the budget, you're talking about federal spending. let me show you a piece of the "wall street journal" and get your comment. they said you can't take a hostage you aren't prepared to shoot. i don't want to ask you about hostages and shooting. i want to ask you a question in a different way. do you understand that the consequence or what the consequences are of the u.s. even technically defaulting on its financial obligations and are you willing to let that happen? you talked ab